Post by: m38a1guy on January 30, 2007, 04:14:29 AM
Hope this helps. This is on my Home PC and not my laptop, I havent tested this feature enough on my laptop due to my other issue with photo's.
P.S. A rotational option for adding user maps would be nice also, so if a photo we have isnt perfectly lined up we can rotate it to match the terraserver stuff.
Nice feature, but the crash has stopped me in my tracks of playing with it.
Post by: Krein on January 30, 2007, 01:00:31 PM
Re: rotate - yeah, we'll eventually add a way to rotate it manually. Right now the maps can be rotated, you just need to add a third calibration point.
Failing a crash report, can you give a bit more info -- which button precisely are you using when it gives an error?
Thanks, I'll try to get to the bottom of this.
Post by: m38a1guy on January 30, 2007, 05:35:41 PM
Just thought I would report it, it ask me do i want to send an error report I said yes and it went through its little action. Suprised you didnt get it?
Post by: Krein on January 30, 2007, 05:38:30 PM
You should probably remove the user map and then add it back again -- to start over. Reinstalling won't get rid of the "bad" user map that's in there now.
There definitely could be a bug or two in the display vs. calibration points, so it'd be great to find the bug if possible.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 01, 2007, 02:14:50 AM
My Laptop is a CF-28 1ghz P3, Intel Onboard Vid 8mb, 768mb Ram pc133. The only Same thing between BOTH laptops is WindowsXp Pro SP2 and Both are using the updated Directx9C full installs you recommended.
I am surprised no one else is having this issue? Maybe most arent using the feature yet? It worked fine on both systems about 2-3 times, then after that it doesnt work. All I can think to do is remove topofusion all together and try again, but I fear after a few time it will happen again. All my Drivers are up to date and like I said this is on 2 different systems.
Now on the photos for waypoints they show up fine for my Home PC but my Laptop they dont. I really do need this one fixed as I need the newer Google Maps for changes. DOES terraserver EVER update their info, I mean I cannot figure out WHY they havent updated the information, the data has to be out there?
Post by: Krein on February 01, 2007, 08:30:52 AM
I agree that the fact that both your systems have the program is indicative of a bug, not a problem on your end. But I just have no idea where to start since you aren't getting a TopoFusion crash reporter and I can't duplicate the problem.
Anything special about your images? Perhaps the next step is to email me one of the images that is causing the problem.
I know the feature is working on ~20 computers, so it's not like it's untested.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 01, 2007, 09:26:44 AM
Its interesting how it worked a few times on the User maps and then quit working. And the same for the photo waypoints, except it never worked for the laptop.
Maybe the Geforce and Intel chipsets have issues with some code? I doubt Processor or RAM have anything to do with it. Then there is WindowsXP Pro with SP2 maybe the 20 plus PCs are non XP systems. There must be a reason its not random for sure.
Post by: Krein on February 01, 2007, 09:47:31 AM
I'd say more machines that I know of are Nvidia. The vast majority of our users are on XP SP2, also.
There must be something. Still thinking...
Post by: m38a1guy on February 01, 2007, 06:14:49 PM
Reason is it worked a while for me also then quit, but I did alot more than 8 photos so a tick might have been triggered? I cant be the only one, somebody just hasnt tested the feature enough yet to have the same thing happen. I know I went for MONTHS without using your photo feature until now.
Post by: Krein on February 01, 2007, 09:19:07 PM
I did notice that I still have some work to do when there are MANY photos on the screen (using waypoints, not user maps). But it wasn't crashing, it just could be handled better.
Unless you can think of any other insight as to what might be going on, I'll just have to release this version and let other people report any problems they find and hope that somebody else runs into it.
Oh, I had a couple other thoughts:
1 - are you using a third calibration point, or just 2 (the default--you have to add a third).
2 - uninstalling/reinstalling does NOT give you a clean slate as far as settings including user maps and GPX files loaded. To really start over (and see if you can get photos working temporarily as they did before -- maybe you can figure out what went wrong), you need to manually DELETE TopoFusion.ini. No need to reinstall, just delete or move that file and you'll have a clean slate.
Let me know if you come up with anything else. Thanks.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 01, 2007, 10:35:29 PM
All I know is I have 2 systems that are different like Night and Day and it doesnt work on either of them, thats almost impossible unless something is amiss in the software.
I would highly recommend NOT releasing this until its resolved or you could find many suffering the same problem. I work on PC's for a living, there is no way 2 different PC's would get the same results when they are SO different. I may not be into coding but I know hardware. If they used the same Drivers, or same chipset yes, but being different drivers, chipsets, CPUs and Ram as well as platforms........
The only thing in common is the DirectX9C full version and Both are XP Pro with SP2 but one has all the MS updates and the laptop doesnt.
Post by: Krein on February 02, 2007, 10:14:14 AM
There is one more thing in common with the two systems, though, and that's you. Meaning, people use the program in different ways, people understand the user interface in different ways. You may be doing something different that exposes the bug in our code that other people and even I am not doing. Any ideas on this?
That's why I'm asking questions about how you use the feature (3 or 2 points), what exactly do you do when you add a user map, are you doing it in 3D mode or something? I don't know.
The fact that it worked once and yet now you can't get it to work after deleting the .INI file points to this more. I don't know how to account for that.
Also, I still don't know what to think of the Microsoft error tracker coming up, rather than ours. I'll have a look at what that means.
Post by: Krein on February 02, 2007, 10:43:06 AM
The most interesting I found was from the google earth forums:
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb....7
Yes, I know, LOL, that GE works for you.
But one of the things they suggest is disabling any image overlays (same thing as user maps for TF). And apparently some system file usp10.dll that can be corrupted. They even go so far as to suggest reinstalling windows as a fix for the problem!!
Another is that if there isn't enough virtual memory as the application tries to grab more memory. This might be the case on your laptop, but I doubt it on the desktop!
Nothing conclusive, and there's still a good chance it is purely a TopoFusion problem. But this is definitely interesting.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 03, 2007, 12:21:20 AM
On the Photos they just dont show anymore. Is it possible that Photofusion can corrupt a .dll for the directX, its Odd as I said I also play Games from Time to time and they require MUCH more graphics than Topofusion. lol I play old and new games on my desktop when I have time.
I have tried user maps and adding photos with all the buttons unchecked except view status to see the map.
Whats odd is it worked before on dragging and now doesnt, which makes me wonder if it corrupts something using the directX, funny though it did it with Both Systems and they use Different License and the laptop doesnt have the newer XP updates.
Also I dont have GE loaded on the laptop only my main system so when know that they are not the cause of the corruption if there is any. Also I havent loaded any software as of late during this wierd behavior, like I said only the Topofusion is having the issue.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 03, 2007, 12:33:16 AM
I dont mind reinstalling as I do it every 2-3 months anyway as I LIKE a clean system, but that still wont solve whats causing it even if that works. In theory it would just happen again as my Laptop using an Image to reinstall. So it would be the same just before the crash and would happen all over again.
If you can you can pick up a CF-28 for about $250 with a HD to test, they have an excellent resale value. The Lack of photos is more important than the calibration crashes. Also I think the calibration is bugged anyway as like I said you have to exect the window and go back in to manually calibrate and sometimes the map can uncheck which is wierd. That was before I experienced the crashes.
I guess on the photos I am having the SAME problem your other users had except its doing it on my High end system which is WIERD, I could see the laptop and it didnt work from day one on seeing the photo waypoints but DID work on my Home PC and now if not visible. I really hope your program doesnt overwrite windows files and that would be dangerous. The version because the addition of the photos I never had issues with except that Wierd Error we all got.
Trust me I am not only blaiming the software, its just that I would think it leans more on the software and a capability issue than with 2 different systems being corrupted when the laptop hasnt been used for a long while and has a clean install.
Post by: Krein on February 03, 2007, 01:38:09 PM
| Quote (m38a1guy @ Feb. 03 2007,12:21) |
| It then shows in the tray/box I then exist it because it will NOT allow me to calibrate even BEFORE the crashes without doing this as the usermap will just disappear or uncheck if I try to calibrate without first exiting. I think this problem was mentioned by another. I then enter again and click calibrate Manually. I then touch any of the Green or Red points on the corners or Middle and try to drag it crashes. |
Thanks for the further explanation.
I've never heard of this problem you describe. There were a couple people that reported having the map disappear if they switched between topo/landsat (and were in different UTM zones), but that problem is fixed.
I think we need to look at this problem first, because it's probably causing the next crash.
What should happen is the following:
- Click on "Add User Map", choose a jpeg.
- The name of the jpeg as well as the filename appear in the listview.
- The jpeg is loaded and displayed on the screen, spanning most of the current view.
As long as you don't uncheck it, it should stay checked and visible. You can then go to the map, switch to select points, and adjust the two calibration points.
When you say you are exiting, do you mean exiting the PROGRAM, or just the user maps dialog?
I just put up a new v3.0 that cleans up a few issues from other people in user maps. Things are a little more cleaner now--including when you add a new map. There's a slight chance it might help with your issues, but I'd be somewhat surprised.
Can you give a little more detail as to how the maps are disappearing or becoming unchecked?
BTW we are not messing with any windows files. Reinstalling DX was a good idea though, too bad it didn't help.
Thanks.
Post by: Krein on February 03, 2007, 06:27:03 PM
Post by: m38a1guy on February 03, 2007, 06:49:17 PM
I hope you fix the Photo Waypoint issue and thats one I need for update info, though User maps are nice they may slow the laptop down too much. Dont know yet.
Maybe user maps can be loaded like Gpx file? so its easier to add and remove?
Post by: Krein on February 03, 2007, 09:23:27 PM
The key link was.... not having very many GPX files loaded!
Why? Well, hard to explain. But it makes sense because all our other testers and my machines have many files loaded.
The photos not loading is pretty bizzare too -- it had to do with the download toggle. If the download toggle was off, photos wouldn't load.
Anyway, should be ready to go tomorrow. Thanks for the patience through all this.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 04, 2007, 12:26:30 AM
Also I didnt have MANY GPXs loaded that makes sense, then when testing I removed all the GPX files and the error showed up .lol
I can wait to test the new version, did you find out HOW many GPX's needed to be loaded for it to calibrate?
P.S. just checked out on the HOME PC and it calibrates when I load afew GPX files. lol
Well I FEEL good as I found a bug that was useful to get fixed, who knows how many may have done the same thing and had the bugs. I leave the GPX's OFF when I dont use them to speed up laptop performance.
Great news now all my work isnt wasted and I can now play with user maps.
Is it possible to make User maps like GPX files so we can add compelte maps and remove them? its much more difficult to manually go into the user map menu to add or remove maps. I was thinking because of Speed since someone said he had 8 user maps and his Laptop was slower because of it.
Post by: Krein on February 04, 2007, 08:03:40 PM
Re: user maps as GPX. I agree it would be easier, but it doesn't quite make sense since a map isn't a GPX file. I guess it could be a GPX file with waypoints for the calibration points. I hadn't really thought about it.
By the way, if a user map is "loaded" in the library but not checked the program does NOT load it. This is different than GPX files, which are loaded even if checked.
The reason is that user maps can be slower to load. GPX files, unless huge, are fast to load.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 05, 2007, 04:12:13 AM
I'll try the new beta. is the user map bug fixed also?
Post by: Krein on February 05, 2007, 07:48:56 AM
Not sure if it'll be GPX in the future, but we will add "world file" export with the maps -- then they can be loaded into TF as well as other software (GIS, etc).
Yep, the user map bug is fixed in the current version. Should work with no GPX files loaded.
Post by: m38a1guy on February 05, 2007, 10:39:27 AM